Since
probably most of our readers aren’t aware of
the Portuguese beast called Filli Nigrantium Infernalium
my first questions most be related with the beginning
of the band. Everything started somewhere in 88 - 89
with the creation of what would afterwards be called
Bactherion and a few years later the Beast, Filii Nigrantium
Infernalium...
“Well, yeah... that’s it. First of all, the
birth of the Beast inside this Me that I used to be before
I really entered the fucked up domains of darkness, through
Slayer, almighty Thomas Gabriel Warrior, Quorthon, Venom
and Voï Vod. What else could I add? Maybe Carnivore
(laughs)! Anything else is out in our website or in our
bloody music. The beginning of the band was just that,
a beginning. It isn’t the most interesting part.
I could point out several moments, line-ups, members, friends,
unfriends, etc, but that would probably be quite uninteresting,
anyway. I’ve been always into individual morbid freak-out,
anyway.”
Do you still remember
how the name Filii Nigrantium Infernalium come up?
“Yes, It came up when I translated a lyric (written
in English, then translated to Spanish) to Latin. It
had this verse: “Sons of Infernal Darkness, I command
you to...”. Only later on I realized how accurate
it would fit not only regarding myself but also the music
I make.”
Can you recall what lyric was?
Was it a Filii lyric or of someone else?
“Not a Filii. It was a Necrodisaster (a band-project
name previous to Bactherion) lyric for a song that never
ended up in anything listenable. Quite in the Sarcofago’s “INRI” vein.”
Under the final moniker you release
the demo tape “Os
Metodos do Pentagrama” and the cult MCD in ‘95 “A
Era do Abutre”. After that a complete silence for
7 years...
“Yes, complete silence relating to the metal scene.
Too much morons and so-called “true evil” wimps
out there speaking. No use speaking amidst the cattle.
I mean, I have already (this is real, I’m not joking
at all...) spoke to real sheep in the countryside, just
do it, try to say “beeee” to a sheep and
it will answer to you (they’re quite polite, anyway): “beeeee”.
It’s not a real deep dialogue, but it’s more
clever than speaking to most “true metal people”.
Taste the whip and experience the sheep! Unbrained people
should learn to keep their mouths shut. But, well, I
suppose this is a part of our condition, I mean our human
condition. And for some, their subhuman condition...
everyone is convinced about their own intelligence, including
myself. It’s
this survival instinct bulshit. I’m conscious about
my “disrespect” and “disloyalty” regarding
the “scene”. Well, fuck it. It’s all
a crap.”
It’s a natural behavior
anyway. Lets face it there will be always the sheep
and the wolves. The strongest amongst the wolves will
devour both sheep and wolves, simple as that! We are
no more and no less than a part of the animal kingdom...
with basic instincts!!
“Yes, maybe, but let me disagree slightly at this
very point, since I consider the classification of living
creatures divided between “sheep” and “wolves” to
be somehow basic. There’s much more than just sheep
or wolves in existence. More than just action and retraction,
or domination and submission. And we might be much more
than any other part of the animal kingdom (is it a kingdom
or a republic, by the way? - everything is language,
maybe); in some perspective, I consider humanity to be
the supreme creation of Pangea (through Satanchrist Yaweh,
for instance, or Zeus Allah) with the “natural” purpose
of conducting mother Earth towards Her utter suicide.
Following on, we might even admit that nuclear power
is the highest point of natural evolution towards the
most advanced degree of a self-conscious existence: suicide.
But, as almost everything in life (even life...) it’s
only a possibility. I don’t exalt instincts above
anything else, but inteligence. As you say, every animal
has instincts, so it’s no big deal if you have
them. Almost tautological.”
Personally I took acknowledge
of Filii when the MCD was put on the streets. I remember
clearly an interview that you gave for a radio station
at that time. “A Era
do Abutre” was somehow a controversial release.
At that time the press in Portugal wasn’t still
used for such blasphemous Portuguese releases...
“Well, it wasn’t then and I don’t know
if it really is nowadays, since I don’t blaspheme
(today) exclusively against Christ, but also against
the cultural mass and popular idols, like those of race,
nation, flag, history and so on. The “true-evil” versace
trend, Paris, Milano, London (laughs). I’m a fucked
up iconoclast, you know, I’m eager to thrash all
mass idols around, especially those that mess up with
my individual freedom. Kill Fuck Die... this is my Satanism.
Fuck churches; fuck the flock, even if it dresses black.
Well, especially if it dresses black. I only hail the
true country sheep. Fuck God and please, don’t
take Satan much too seriously. Human sheep can go and
watch football or sing national “ancient” folkloric
shit hymns or stuff like that... Well, I hear myself
and I guess that I’m really pissed-off. Not constructive
at all, Must be the “Metal Discharge” CD
burning on my ears. Destruction rule, don’t you
think?"
Without any doubts, they still have the Thrash
Metal flame burning on their hearts! Have you seen them
in Headbangers Fest?
“Yes, of course, I wouldn’t miss the mad butchers
bestial invasion. And there was also Sodom and Dismember...
I would like to see them once again (and with a decent
sound.) I’m really fond on thrash metal, like Exodus,
Kreator, Slayer, Voïvod, Infernal Majesty, Tankard,
Possessed...”
Why have you decided to, after Bactherion,
start singing in our mother tongue?
“My” “mother” “tongue”...
It’s a curious expression, and It’s deconstruction
would take long, so I’ll leave it for another day.
I recall this question, back in 93, and then on and on,
it was asked to me; the answer, again, can only be one:
what does it matter? Maybe I could ask why every band
in the world - except Root, Master’s Hammer and
some Spanish heavy metal bands sing in English. But I
don’t
feel like asking this, everyone sings the way they feel
they want to sing. It’s just as simple as that.
Considering the lyrical quality most bands prove, It’s
completely irrelevant. Originality that was the principle.
Experience. Ah, by the way... Portuguese is not my “mother
tongue”.
I don’t give a fuck about “mother tongues”,
anyway. I would love to use some absolutely personal
and incomprehensible language.”
Why don’t
you do that? Tolkien have created his own language (laughs)...
“Well, that was one of his many talents! Yes, I could
do it, maybe I will. But I also enjoy recognition and
direct understanding. For instance, “Puta Infernal” is,
at once, the same in four iberian languages. I find it
curious and amusing.”
What lead the complete silence
of 7 years and above all now the comeback?
“Well... Can you truly explain why does it rain?
I don’t mean the scientific explanation, which
is quite poor and tells you nothing about this mysterious
phenomenon of existence and nature...”
I believe
its well explained by now why does it rain, at least
we have a scientific explanation, on the other hand about
Filii... Well we all know that the comeback trend that
some old bands have jumped in is exclusive due to financial
interests and I will not say any names. For some it’s
just a matter of having a few more money into the pockets
to live a few more years... Every action has its cause,
simple as that! Even if humans do not understand some
of them!
“I understand the principle that postulates that
for every action there has to be a cause, but the way
I see things, that principle is not absolute. Landing
again on material words, yes, I would certainly apreciate if
some money appears in my pocket... That would be fancy
and delightful. What can I say? But somehow I suspect
that this is the wrong band for that. It’s a shame.”
Since
during those 7 years I believe you were simply a spectator.
How do you see now the Portuguese scene?
“Now, I wasn’t simply an spectator, since I
didn’t “spectate” anything at all.
I kept on going to some gigs (Priest, Wasp), but I was
completely out of the scene. I had my own inner and private
scene, listening to the bands I could never stop listening,
playing my guitar and creating songs and lyrics. And
I have to admit that I haven’t come back entirely.
Concerning many things I don’t have a real nice
opinion (nationalists and fascists morons, mainly) and
concerning some others I think there are great bands
and really nice people. And great fans out there, who
still go on, proving that you can live for metal and
not being at the same time a lobotomized subhuman (the
moral majority - as well as the so-called “immoral” majority).”
What
about abroad? Are we still at the tail of the worldwide
metal scene or something changed over the years?
“Well, I don’t give a fuck. What do you mean
exactly? I can play my music, it’s hard, but it’s
also hard in Spain or France. I’m not worried about
this country that has given me an ID card (that which
some call “my fatherland” (laughs)... poor
guys!) and taxes to pay; I mean I’m not worried
at all about its image worldwide. I’m aware that
many people in the world are worried about the “image” their
countries have around the world, and they walk proudly
when they think about their football team, or their armies,
or their Miss Beauty Whore, or their gastronomic supremacy.
But that’s all unintelligent weakness to me. So
to me there is not a worldwide scene formed by many “national” scenes,
but a global scene; I don’t like Judas Priest because
they’re English, even if they come out with this “British
pride” bullshit, but because they’re universally
geniuses. The same applies to bands like Sepultura (“Morbid
Visions”) or Kreator. Or Ángeles del Infierno,
who sang in Spanish, but had a truly Judas Priest alike
sound... And well, to answer your question, yes, many
things have changed, but my mind keeps rotting at fast
pace, as always. As time rots by... the fundamental things
in life: only death is real.”
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Well
its true, I somehow relate with your way of thinking.
But still you must agree when I say that it’s probably easier in the
US, Germany, Poland, Sweden or whatever to have their
own bands recognised and to play music! I mean how many
labels there are in Portugal? How many bands do you know
that recorded albums? Not to mention producers? How many
bands went in European tours? We have the same names
for like 10 - 15 years... and I’m not just referring
to Metal but all sorts of styles!! I mean a musician
is still someone with a low credibility in Portugal!
“Well, if you loath earning money with music you shouldn’t give the
least fuck about that. I don’t. Once again, it’s like rain. Things
are like that, so... I’ll go on moving forward or sideward, my way, here
or anywhere else. These problems are outside my concerns, which are related to
aesthetics exclusively. Only death is real, in any part of our “lovely” and “graceful” world.”
“A
queda” was the 7” Ep that brought Filli once again to people’s
mouths. Do you think that by the fact that its released in a vinyl format will
limit the exposition? I mean probably most of the people now do not care much
about vinyl, for me its simply more valuable but most of the fans nowadays don’t
even have a vinyl plate on their stereos...
“I celebrate that! Thank you, man, and the ones who feel like you. It
won’t
trouble my poor, Christian, humble mind... Satanized.
Greetings and felicitations, children of technology!”
Carnivore! Have
you followed Pete Steele’s career?
I mean when carnivore disbanded and he formed Type O
Negative?
“Yes. I liked “Origin of the Feces”, but ever since... Quite
pro, but not for me."
How did the cooperation between
you and Tenser (the label who released “A
Queda”) appeared? Were you simply looking for someone
to release your comeback work or what?
“Well, It was just like that. Tenser did it ok, don’t you agree?
Tenser records Mastermind, by the way, owns a very fine
Mongolian music collection. Its something to have in mind...”
I notice
some sarcasm in your words. Aren’t you
happy with how things turned out?
“Sure I am! You’ll notice sarcasm in each and every of my words,
probably... And I really like mongolian singing, so it’s
an accomplishment he will certainly recognise! I mean,
I enjoy their singing much more than those “neo-romantic” soap
and utterly cheesy “enchanted” female voices
that infestate heavy and rock music nowadays... Our EP
is a piece of art, both in sound and physical, material
expression. And it’s our return, what else could
I want then? But this was just the return, you bet it.”
You
have already played a few gigs being the most recent
at the side of Hate Eternal, Dying Fetus, Deeds of Flesh
in Porto and previously with Opus Draconis in Lisboa
(barreiro). I don’t know how have people react
in Porto but at least here in Lisboa the gig was great!
By the way how went things with Hate Eternal? Have you
meet Erik Rutan?
“Great show, yes. Great sound, great lightning, heavy bangers around.
An impressive eyesight of the great city of Oporto, from the nevertheless old
and nice Gaia shore. Wine like deep blood. What else? Ah, Erik Rutan. A most
polite gentleman and an utterly fierce deathster: but I haven’t spoke
to him, not much anyway. Nice staff.”
I do not know how were things in
the past, but at least now you have a manager, Pedro
Cruz (the person who were behind of the now defunct Portuguese
label, Dark Records). Why have you decided to have someone
who would take care of all the things related with the
band?
“Because my mind is chaotic and I think that Cruz has the perfect will
and skill to take us right down to the depths of the
darkest Hades, there are up or above. Don’t you like his surname, Cruz?
Follow the cross (laughs).”
Talking about words... Satanic
Anarko Black Metal is the simple words that are used
to describe what Filli Nigrantium Infernalium is all
about. On the gig that you gave in Lisbon with Opus
Draconis I remember you kidding with that “labeling” thing.
If I remember well you used a “infinite” number
of words to describe one of your songs, something like: “the
next song is a song of speed, death, heavy, blasting,
desecrating, symphonic, epic.. blabla metal”. What
is your... humm.. Lets call it relation, with words used
to describe the bands?
“Well, at some extent is OK and useful, but sometimes it’s really
crappy and ridiculous, and it seems that some shitty
bands hide their mediocrity with these long and pompous denominations. Back
to our concert, maybe you don’t
recall, but I was announcing a new plus-quam-malignus
project. It’s called
Necropachachatorz6666. True evil metal, blabla, for the
coiffeur dark boys and dark girls. Maybe joking, anyway.”
At some extend
I can point some similarities between Satanism and Anarchism.
What do you have to say about those two... lets call
it philosophies of life?
“I’m utterly individualistic, above norms, traditions, masters,
gods, dogmas. In this sense I’m a rebel angel, in mind and soul. Give
me freedom or give me death, aesthetical freedom, moral freedom, etc. Let’s
call it something like dark aristocratical anarchism. I loath as well the historical
tyrants, ‘cause they have always found support
on the mass mediocrity. Satan Christ is my idea of Übermensch.
And real dictatorships have always promoted the poorest
expressions in art. Fuck censorship. Hell! Here we go
again, the long labeling expressions. Well, I’m
only trying to be synthetic and inclusive at once.”
Nietchze
also had his own vision of Ubermensch. How man should
be more than simply man, regardless if he was one or
not...
“Nietzsche, once again... I don’t really think Nietzsche himself
had a defined concept of “man”, “simply
man” or even “ubermensch”.
Some think that he was looking for men who really could
be fully human. And this can include so many things,
if you think about it... Nietzsche has taken me into
silence concerning him or his books. And I regret the
excessive vulturing feast on his name, in mouths so floppy
that can’t even be considered “dirty”.
So I won’t speak about Nietzsche, I’m sorry.
In almost every line which he wrote the irony is so deep
that I can’t take him as seriously
as I can take many other writers. Thanks God, he would
probably say.”
In all your previous releases
there were guest appearances (like Moonspell and Decayed
members) and as far as I know in “A Queda” there
is also some guest musicians, am I right? Can you clarify
us about that?
“Yes, but only Ricardo Amorim, he plays the main solo on “Puta
Infernal” (“HellWhore”).
The other musicians belonged to other bands but at that
time they were fully in Filii Nigrantium Infernalium (F.E.V.E.R. and Ironsword).”
I
was trying to find out what the word Belathauzer would
mean, when I crossed on the internet with several marvel
comic books websites where the name is pointed as a Demon...
Did you took the name Belathauzer from a comic book character
or is this plain coincidence?
“My God, I didn’t know about that! Should I take them all to court
and fight for my rights? Get on and bring me my legal
Squad! I’ve been
ripped off... Or maybe I’m over-reacting: yes,
it’s obviously a curious
and capricious coincidence. Life is beautiful, isn’t
it? Just let it be, brother.”
Well its better not
trying to fight for your rights ‘cause
Belathauzer was created in mid 70’s...
“Yes, indeed, I was born in mid 70’s (along with “Sad Wings
of Destiny” - not a coincidence). Accurate guess...
And I only fight for my wrongs, anyway, never for my
rights. A bad joke, but a right one as well... Let it
be, let it rot.”
What about now, what can we expect
from Filli Nigrantium Infernalium on a near future?
“Total Destruction and utter poison. Real satanic Heavy Metal, our way.
Come to our concerts and you’ll get the blood spill
right on your face. Peace and love. Total Destruction,
chaos and darkness. How typical, isn’t
it? But it’s just like that and God allows me not
to tell any lies...”
Are you thinking in a full-length
album or its something that is still not in your plans?
“Yes, that will probably be the next step. But I’ll tell you more
as soon as I tell you more.”
Well Belathauzer it
was a pleasure talking to you. The best of lucks for
Filii!!
“Eternal gratitude for you, Nuno, and let Ancient Ceremonies be blessed
with the cunt-juice of Bloody Khali for long and long centuries. Great magazine,
as every reader may check. Ah, we have now, for the first time, official t-shirts
(Orgia de Trevas) More info at our hellwebpage. Only Death is Real!”
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